Article | 'Japan Mehs Virtua Fighter 5. NO ONLINE = NO BUY?'

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Hear is a thought. Change the frames of each move online. If a jab takes 4 frames to do off-line, make it 8 online.SockPuppetHyren

Im still trying to decide whether i should get it for 360 with no online.Nobody I know is any good at any game genre besides sports.killab2oo5

Or you could get some friends and have them come over and you have a good time playing the game, liek what the Wii's main focus is so don't try to say some BS about havign people come over and play video games. Better than going to arcades and waste your money anytime you feel like playing VF5.

[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Hear is a thought. Change the frames of each move online. If a jab takes 4 frames to do off-line, make it 8 online.shungokustasu

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Hear is a thought. Change the frames of each move online. If a jab takes 4 frames to do off-line, make it 8 online.SockPuppetHyren

If this is so obvious, why hasn’t Sega already though if it? could it be that current internet connection are simply not fast enough to handle an Arcade perfect VF? Isn’t that a possibility? SockPuppetHyren

No, you can take the EXACT GAME and put it online. Will it play the EXACT SAME offline still? YES”

Will it play the EXACT SAME online? No, cuz even without lag online latency is always an issue. Would people who want to play the game on a casual level though be able to get more involved with other players and share strats if online were implemented? YES

And I must stress this again, the game would have the EXACT SAME CODE, and have an IDENTICAL OFFLINE COMPONENT.

A not-perfect online mode is better then nothing at all is my point.

maybe it's because Japan doesn't nearly have enough ps3 to guarantee the sales? Just a thought....tonyleo01

No, you can take the EXACT GAME and put it online. Will it play the EXACT SAME offline still? YES”SockPuppetHyren

No you can’t…explained it before, not going to explain it again. What you’re suggesting would result in two different games.

Will it play the EXACT SAME online? No, cuz even without lag online latency is always an issue. Would people who want to play the game on a casual level though be able to get more involved with other players and share strats if online were implemented? YES

You’re assuming there is a casual market for VF, which there really isn’t that much of one. VF is a franchise designed with the hardcore in mind. Casuals normally stray away from it.

And I must stress this again, the game would have the EXACT SAME CODE, and have an IDENTICAL OFFLINE COMPONENT.

No it wouldn’t…Agian, what you’re assuming would be two completely different games.

A not-perfect online mode is better then nothing at all is my point.

Not at the cost of the offline….

Of course it's possible. However, Sega wasn't willing to take the time to make an online model equal to something like Bnet. It has been done, however, and I kinda find it insane that you cling on to the belief that Sega's the end all, be all of online knowledge. The fact is that online has been done well since the 90s, during the era of 56k. Sega just didn't have the will nor the time to make it work.

As I said, there are genres that require more actions per minute than fighting games that made the jump to online successfully. The fact is that online play is becoming a major factor in gaming. If Sega is unwilling to make the jump with their most successful multiplayer franchise, they are pretty much dooming themselves to low sales.

YES I AM TALKING ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT GAMES!

Please read what I posted. Even games like Doa4 are basically considered 2 games, online and offline. As the offline code behaves different online. It's not "offline perfect" and the community accepts that, but that doens't stop them from utilizing online as a valuable resource and learning tool.

No one takes doa4 online play serious in the hardcore community due to this. But the size of the community has increased exponentially due to the fact the game is online.

PLEASE READ INSTEAD OF FLAME. The game will be the exact same code, offline and online, it will obviously just behave and play differently online due to latency. Adding that though does not hurt the core offline game.

[QUOTE="tonyleo01"]maybe it's because Japan doesn't nearly have enough ps3 to guarantee the sales? Just a thought....shungokustasu

You think offline practice, once a month tournaments, dead arcades, is going to keep the fighting genre alive?

Com'on man. Online is very important to the fighting genre. If there are two genres that should favor online support heavy is: FPS and Fighters. Fighting community is stagnet. We need to expand in the online industry.

I would like to know, which genre take more actions per minut than fighters, in which matches last normally under a minute?SockPuppetHyren

Also, on he low sales issue, I've stated before that Vf doesn't sell well in the US. They aren't dooming themselve to anything. The smae people who bought VF before are buying it agian. The casual just have nother excuse not to buy the game.SockPuppetHyren

He's assuming online is having an impact on sales in Japan.Felous1

I just think it's hilarious that here we are in "teh next gen" with very powerful consoles and deep broabband penetration and we have gamers claiming that online for a multiplayer game is not needed.LosDaddie

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3155915

"1UP: I'm going to read between the lines here. Nice. Going back to the lack of online play for a moment, I know that AM2 has stated many times that the reason VF5 doesn't support online play is because the experience would be less than optimal, due to latency times and whatnot. But it doesn't take a mathematician to realize that if VF5 on home console did feature online play, that would threaten your thriving arcade business, which is dominant in Japan. After all, why would people pay to play and customize things in an arcade if they could do it for free at home online? How do you feel about that theory?

NS: That's totally not true. It is because of the delay experienced online, and because the environment and atmosphere of online play makes it impossible to re-create the gameplay as it is in the arcade version, and that's why we're not putting VF5 online."



Now Sock, it's time to stop saying it they don't wanna do it because offline would be compromised. I have no idea where you got that in your head in the first place.
Felous1

VF4 only sold 0.55 million units in Japan and 1.70 million units worldwide 

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They just said it in thier statement...:|SockPuppetHyren

[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"]They just said it in thier statement...:|Felous1

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]I just think it's hilarious that here we are in "teh next gen" with very powerful consoles and deep broabband penetration and we have gamers claiming that online for a multiplayer game is not needed.rued2k6

2006's best selling games were all online.

i dont think that there are that many gamers playing online. so it is not needed, sure it would be a good option but it will not break a game. especially a fighting game. rued2k6

*Re-reads* HA! I stand corrected! Go Me! :PSockPuppetHyren

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3155915

"1UP: I'm going to read between the lines here. Nice. Going back to the lack of online play for a moment, I know that AM2 has stated many times that the reason VF5 doesn't support online play is because the experience would be less than optimal, due to latency times and whatnot. But it doesn't take a mathematician to realize that if VF5 on home console did feature online play, that would threaten your thriving arcade business, which is dominant in Japan. After all, why would people pay to play and customize things in an arcade if they could do it for free at home online? How do you feel about that theory?

NS: That's totally not true. It is because of the delay experienced online, and because the environment and atmosphere of online play makes it impossible to re-create the gameplay as it is in the arcade version, and that's why we're not putting VF5 online."



Now Sock, it's time to stop saying it they don't wanna do it because offline would be compromised. I have no idea why you got that in your head in the first place.
Felous1

Wow.....1up owned Sega. I would've paid to see the SEga guy's facial expression after that question.

....but Sega knows that they will have their apologists who will back any decision they make.

[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"]*Re-reads* HA! I stand corrected! Go Me! :PFelous1

Dude...I just did. (O)_(O) or did you not read the message that said "I stand corrected".SockPuppetHyren

Maybe if Virtua Fighter had input windows so long that you can get up to make a sandwich in between entering commands the online would work. Like the other online fighting games I've played...
TekkenMaster606

Wow.....1up owned Sega. I would've paid to see the SEga guy's facial expression after that question.

....but Sega knows that they will have their apologists who will back any decision they make.LosDaddie

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Maybe if Virtua Fighter had input windows so long that you can get up to make a sandwich in between entering commands the online would work. Like the other online fighting games I've played...
shungokustasu

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Maybe if Virtua Fighter had input windows so long that you can get up to make a sandwich in between entering commands the online would work. Like the other online fighting games I've played...
TekkenMaster606

Maybe if Virtua Fighter had input windows so long that you can get up to make a sandwich in between entering commands the online would work. Like the other online fighting games I've played...
TekkenMaster606

If they did put online in. Far less people would go to the arcades to play it.Acenso

[QUOTE="Acenso"] If they did put online in. Far less people would go to the arcades to play it.Felous1